Hey Kadri. I was wondering where you were! Glad your talking again. Have to meet your points though, just cant help my self. Since I finished school I never get to argue with anyone. Well just my wife, but thats not any fun
QuoteThe problem is why should every one get so easily such guns?
Yes lets start restricting guns based on... income? Lets make it so expensive poor people cant get them. No, lets just ban them all together. Because in a nation of 300+ million people that will work. It works in Chicago!
Sorry for the sarcasm but at this late hour I find its the easiest path forward.
QuoteThe wise man you mention lived in a much much different period...Are we really not better than those times now?
Things are much worse now. Now kids walk in to public places and murder large numbers of their own people for no reason.
Own people? Ok, you got me on that one. Probably we are nearly as divided a nation as before our civil war. Even almost 1/3 of my own people want to take away some of my constitutional rights, rights my Grandfather bled for, and screamed in his sleep from memories, until the day he died. Rights that I understand because he taught me. Rights that only people who don't understand, want to take away.
QuoteAre all what they said right and true 200 hundred years later?
The Truth is always the Truth. Only facts change.
QuoteBut why should be everyone entitled to this
Everyone is not entitled to this. Rights are not entitlements. Understanding the difference will go a long way to helping you understand why we have gun Rights... Everyone in the US does not have the right to own a gun, just a fact.
QuoteIf i lived at those times i would say the same as you, but now? No thanks!
No, but you live in a nation whos' people have suffered under one tyrant after another for thousands of years.
I consider Turkey an important member of western civilization since the times of the eastern empire. Do you really think that just because western and Eastern Europe, as well as parts of the middle east (including Turkey) have seen relative peace and prosperity for 50 years or so, that you wont see War and Tyranny again? The regions and lands I mentioned have been, up to WW2, in a constant state of war and tyranny for at least two thousand years. It will happen again.
I would think the peoples of the lands I mentioned would want the same rights I have. Without restriction I mean.
QuoteIn insisting that this is your right you open the door to many armed maniacs
I don't need to insist on anything. Owning a gun IS my right... I have not opened any doors in this mater. Its been this way for more than 200 years. And its worked pretty well over all.
And maniacs don't need rights to own a gun, they don't care about laws. The Law has never prevented a single crime, but only gives us a civil recourse after a crime has already been committed. The purpose of law is not to prevent crime but to provide justice. We do not need law to teach us what is right, we need it to compel us to do justice.
If he did not have a gun, he would have used a bomb, or gas, or an air plane.
QuoteI am sure that you will shoot no one in your life , but they will
I will kill any man who causes me to fear for the life of my Wife and Son. And for their sake I will defend my own life with violence. I will kill with out mercy or hesitation anyone who I believe represents an immediate and certain danger to my family, if I am able.
Believe it.
*Just to bring this back to TDKR. This same conversation that we are having was held in the film. Although it was in a funny sorta way. It was between cat woman and bat man, when cat woman saves bat man from baine (bane, bain?) by using a gun. Just wanted to mention that.