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Offline PabloMack

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AMD Ryzen now shipping
« on: February 26, 2017, 04:41:45 PM »
I just checked Amazon and it seems you can now buy AMD Ryzen processors and motherboards that use them. Here are some videos that talk about the available models:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE0MdYBIw6I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rUndzpdo1I
« Last Edit: February 26, 2017, 04:59:38 PM by PabloMack »

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Re: AMD Ryzen now shipping
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2017, 05:08:23 PM »
Hopefully it means some price drop for us :D
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Re: AMD Ryzen now shipping
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2017, 06:34:55 PM »
More info here http://www.anandtech.com/show/11143/amd-launch-ryzen-52-more-ipc-eight-cores-for-under-330-preorder-today-on-sale-march-2nd
Its great to see some competition in the market.
I'm interested to see if one of the workstation builders offer workstations built around this which would give me more confidence to consider AMD as an alternative to Intel if I get round to building a PC later this year.

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Re: AMD Ryzen now shipping
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2017, 06:46:39 PM »
They kicking serious butt. The monopoly of Intel is shaking right there and now...hehehe...good for us. Finally!
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Re: AMD Ryzen now shipping
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2017, 01:49:55 AM »
 Think I will wait until seeing more third-party benchmarks before making a decision. AMD seems to be patterning this new technology after the existing I3/I5/I7  Intel platforms. Specific to what we do here, I'm not so interested in Comparing single core throughput as opposed to how much/fast work a group of cores can push through the pipeline.  If AMD can produce  processors with absolutely equivalent functionality but a price point that is half of Intel's then that is definitely worth considering . But I really want to hear someone besides AMD say all of this.

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Re: AMD Ryzen now shipping
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2017, 09:18:03 PM »

Maybe not so much for gaming (still great for that money) but for rendering it looks good for the price.
We will see much lower prices from Intel probably.
Considering the prices as they are now i think AMD made a nice CPU this time.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3176191/computers/ryzen-review-amd-is-back.html?page=2

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/03/amds-moment-of-zen-finally-an-architecture-that-can-compete/
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Re: AMD Ryzen now shipping
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2017, 11:18:07 PM »
Who will be the first to test this with Terragen?
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Re: AMD Ryzen now shipping
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2017, 11:39:34 PM »
By the way, when confirming the result of the benchmark, no one is doing a report of the results after TG4.???

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Re: AMD Ryzen now shipping
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2017, 05:20:47 AM »
We prefer people not use the older Terragen 3 benchmark for Terragen 4, although admittedly we have no replacement yet...

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Re: AMD Ryzen now shipping
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2017, 01:42:01 PM »
Who will be the first to test this with Terragen?

Although I have used nothing but AMD processors (with the single exception of the Intel that is in my Newtek TriCaster) since Jan 2010 when I built my AMD Red Dragon Special Edition (Cooler Master), I will have to make due with the render farm I have at present. My plan is to build a render machine based on a minimum of the 32-core (Naples processor) slated for 2nd Qtr of this year. The Starship processor will have 48-cores but isn't due until next year. I will be happy to test Terragen performance at that time.

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Re: AMD Ryzen now shipping
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2017, 07:22:58 PM »
Naples could be incredible. I am *really* curious to see how they price it...

Edit: Oh, damn. I just discovered that apparently Naples is going to be base clocked at 1.4Ghz per core! Using the up-to-now reasonable estimation of performance for Intel chips of simply multiplying clock speed times (physical) core count - and since the Zen architecture seems to be reasonably on-par with Intel's architectures at this point and thus is semi-directly comparable - that gives us about 45Ghz of base-clocked computing power over 32 threads. Comparing that against the Ryzen 1800x at 3.6Ghz base clock and 8 cores, we get just under 29Ghz. Given the price of the 1800x, Naples will have a hard time getting *anywhere* near that price/performance ratio, unfortunately.

Since there is always some amount of overhead in handling large thread counts it's also more advantageous to have fewer cores/threads at higher clock, which will also count against Naples. Hmm.

Now compare it against Intel, where their top-end chip has 24 cores at 2.2Ghz, so just under 53Ghz equivalent computing power, and on fewer threads as well. Even worse, from a price/performance standpoint, I picked up a used dual 8 core machine (16 physical cores total) a couple months ago on eBay with 128GB of RAM, 2.9Ghz per core, for about $1800. My machine has a bit older Intel architecture, but still fairly competitive with modern CPUs (it's in the top 10 on TG benchmark results), and has about 46.5Ghz using that simplistic calculation. That means that in theory my current machine will outperform or at least match Naples when it arrives.

I want to be clear that calculating this way is only intended as a ballpark estimate, but it holds true enough that I'm less enthused now about Naples. I hope AMD can get the base clock speed up a lot higher very quickly...

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Re: AMD Ryzen now shipping
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2017, 12:01:15 PM »

Where did you read about Naples Oshyan?

Some other render benchmarks:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11170/the-amd-zen-and-ryzen-7-review-a-deep-dive-on-1800x-1700x-and-1700/18

Pretty impressive multi thread numbers there! Looks like the ryzen will be really good for TG.
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Re: AMD Ryzen now shipping
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2017, 06:59:12 PM »
Yeah, Ryzen looks to be killer for rendering, not only for price/performance, but also for performance-per-watt! Look at the power usage figures for those CPUs. The Ryzen 1700 (not X) is less than half the price *and* less than half the wattage of i7 5960X and yet matches it in rendering performance. Awesome stuff.

Interesting, however, to see the AMD CPUs lagging on OpenCL workloads given than OpenCL is kind of their creation. Although some of those benchmarks look to be having optimization issues, you can see signs of artificial performance limitations (not intentional, but probably unnecessary nonetheless).

As for Naples, the expected base frequency is reported in many places:
https://www.top500.org/news/amd-readies-naples-cpus-to-do-battle-with-intel-skylake-xeons/
http://wccftech.com/amd-zen-naples-server-cpu-vega-gpu-platform/

I really hope they end up putting out something good in-between the desktop Ryzen CPUs and the server Naples ones. Workstation CPUs that match or exceeded Intel's core count and clock speed for a lower price seems like a real necessity for AMD's overall success, at least in the content creation space.

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Re: AMD Ryzen now shipping
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2017, 07:22:26 PM »

Thanks Oshyan. Hope it goes well with those AMD CPU's. Intel prices are ridiculous since a long time.
I didn't want to change my PC (i7 2600k) just because of the limited gain you get for that price difference.
In the past i changed my computer nearly in less then 2 years. This is now probably 4 or so.

 

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